Red Wings Attendance 2018

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Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by insagt1 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:59 pm

some fun facts and figures about spending an evening at the ballpark.
so far this season the paid attendance has been 281,978 for 45 openings. this is an average of 6,266, which puts us in our usual place at the bottom of the middle! Our total paid attendance has been pretty stable for several years. We have never drawn fewer than about 414,000 paid and we usually stay in the lower to near middle 400,000's every season since Frontier Field opened in 1997. (turnstile count is always less, but nobody cares about that anymore)

wings have the worst home record in all of minor league baseball. (Only 2 major league teams are worse at home...no surprise its Baltimore and Kansas City) Still the crowds keep coming due to some very aggressive marketing by our GM. Wings had a 10 game losing streak in June and during that time for 6 of those home games they averaged 6,885, with 3 of the crowds exceeding 7,200.

they recently are 'enjoying a 7 game losing streak and during those 7 home openings they have averaged an incredible 8,383 with 2 crowds over 10K, one over 9K and 2 over 8K. In between those 2 losing streaks they played 9 home games (losing many of them) and averaged 7,010.

From June to the present, the team is averaging 7,412 paid per game...an incredible number considering the on field product.

Clearly where the Wings can't compete with the teams ahead of them in attendance is April. The weather here is brutal and its not uncommon to see literally a handful of spectators at some games. the average paid for April was 3,588, which takes into account mostly the season ticket base. I doubt they actually had more than 700-1,000 in house for any of the 9 games in April. The largest announced crowd was 4,762 and the smallest was 2,484 for the season's 2nd home game where by most peoples count, there were fewer than 50 people in the stands.

things perked up by mid-May. The first big crowd of 8,782 happened on May 17th and the month ended with a throng of 10,213 on the 28th. May averaged 6,186. So, if we took away aprils attendance, the wings would be averaging almost 7,000 per game, which would be pretty good.

Having said that, if you took away fireworks, Plates, special promos like RPO and Country 'concerts'....I think it would be safe to say our average could easily be cut in half. So we tip our cap to Dan Mason for keeping the turnstiles spinning, while the ballclub is stuck in reverse and has been there all season long. 16 wins at home folks....thats it. that's pathetic.

For those keeping score at home, one final item: Wings have had 5 crowds so far over 10,000 and expect at least 4 or 5 more during the last 22 openings...good weather provided. they have had 16 total crowds over 7,000 and only 9 under 4,000.

when you consider that the Miami Marlins are averaging around 8,000 (and thats a real stretch) summer is still enjoyable at the old ballpark in Rochester...(that is if you can stomach the horrible team on the field)

there you go.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by hockey13 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:27 pm

Welcome to Minor League Baseball. It is now all about the promotions not the product on the field...wins or loses. Also how do you like the Twins following the Ray's with the Wings pitchers.

https://www.pickinsplinters.com/2018/07 ... ns-future/

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by insagt1 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:24 pm

interesting idea. Problem here is that since July3rd, our bullpen's ERA is around 5.70. they are 2-7. they have walked 25 in 57 innings. This means they come in late and are not getting the job done anymore. One of our strengths has become a major liability.
Walks kill relievers and give most managers gray hair (probably not ours,,,,he doesn't seem to mind that we suck) Our pen has put winning runs on base a whole lot recently. You have to be able to come in and throw strikes...right away.

Heck, let 'em experiment all they want now. The games are meaningless and the team is dysfunctional.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by Dubblenikle » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:15 am

America is falling out of love with baseball. The game is secondary to the events and promotions. People will go out and just sit outside, enjoy the weather, get some food and talk the entire time. I've gone with co-workers and family and had people in my group ask what the score was in the middle of the game they were supposedly watching. people tend to not pay much attention until there is a cheer from the people watching or they hear a crack of the bat. Baseball requires minimal attention and its reasonably priced. Its a night out. The Amerks suffer because of the winter and the fact you have to pay attention in hockey to have any idea what's going on. Fewer games and higher salaries equal higher ticket costs. Long story short, the wings can suck and still draw because they are only one piece to a pleasant evening out doors. The Amerks can't skate by like that because they need to convince people to come out in the snow and pay considerably more money to come watch a game. Its good to be the wings. Especially since they are not owned by the twins and have zero player salary dollars to be concerned with. Even though the Amerks are not necessarily paying players, they are part of the PSE family so I bet they use some of the cash to cover vet salaries. I would love to have Dan Mason's job. he's a fun event planner. I know he has to worry about the financials, but man, what a gig.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by insagt1 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:34 am

Its a good gig, but I assure you he works as hard as any GM in the business. Your first sentence is telling...and very sad. The game itself has 'devolved' into a sport that is no longer fan friendly. It was for decades. The steroid era produced the HR frenzy,which the fans (hypocritically) bought into with little regard to what was going on.
After that, TV took over...eating up minutes of dead time and extending them. Pitchers stopped throwing complete games as the dreaded 'pitch count' emerged. Specialists abounded. Batters stepped out after every pitch. Pitchers took forever to throw the ball. Strikeouts replaced putting the ball in play. (not a big fan interest-getter) The shift has changed the very fabric of how the field was originally designed. 'basehits to right are now routine ground outs. The minors now pander to the short attention span of the 'fans' by sticking a runner on 2nd to start an extra inning. Thats baseball???

When a manager makes 2 and 3 pitching changes in an inning...how can the fans NOT lose interest with all that dead time?
It is now true that the game is not the focal point of the evening. I'm here to tell you it used to be...no question. But when the 'game' becomes less interesting than the 'entertainment'....you have a problem.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by oldtimehockey » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:51 am

insagt1 wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:34 am
Its a good gig, but I assure you he works as hard as any GM in the business. Your first sentence is telling...and very sad. The game itself has 'devolved' into a sport that is no longer fan friendly. It was for decades. The steroid era produced the HR frenzy,which the fans (hypocritically) bought into with little regard to what was going on.
After that, TV took over...eating up minutes of dead time and extending them. Pitchers stopped throwing complete games as the dreaded 'pitch count' emerged. Specialists abounded. Batters stepped out after every pitch. Pitchers took forever to throw the ball. Strikeouts replaced putting the ball in play. (not a big fan interest-getter) The shift has changed the very fabric of how the field was originally designed. 'basehits to right are now routine ground outs. The minors now pander to the short attention span of the 'fans' by sticking a runner on 2nd to start an extra inning. Thats baseball???

When a manager makes 2 and 3 pitching changes in an inning...how can the fans NOT lose interest with all that dead time?
It is now true that the game is not the focal point of the evening. I'm here to tell you it used to be...no question. But when the 'game' becomes less interesting than the 'entertainment'....you have a problem.
I'm seeing Amerk games heading in that direction. Unfortunately. $2 beers. 3 time outs every period.. T shirt tosses. Shootouts, etc...

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by redd4972 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:37 pm

I can emphasized from Buffalo. Nobody plays in AAA baseball anymore. I've been hearing about Vlad Guerrero Jr. for a year and a half. He'll probably get two homestands in Buffalo in between his time in AA ball, and the majors.

I went to a Bison's game the other day and recognized two names, Anthony Alfred and Rowdy Tellez. Tellez played in Buffalo last year and was thought of as a prospect. Now he's a total bust. Meanwhile guys like Bailey and Baptiste have played parts of three seasons in the AHL and some hope of an NHL career.

How am I supposed to get invested in these guys when there is nearly 100% turnover every year and I have virtually no chance of ever hearing from these guys ever again.

It's basically an excuse to be outside during the summer and hang out now.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by Dubblenikle » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:39 pm

redd4972 wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:37 pm
I can emphasized from Buffalo. Nobody plays in AAA baseball anymore. I've been hearing about Vlad Guerrero Jr. for a year and a half. He'll probably get two homestands in Buffalo in between his time in AA ball, and the majors.

I went to a Bison's game the other day and recognized two names, Anthony Alfred and Rowdy Tellez. Tellez played in Buffalo last year and was thought of as a prospect. Now he's a total bust. Meanwhile guys like Bailey and Baptiste have played parts of three seasons in the AHL and some hope of an NHL career.

How am I supposed to get invested in these guys when there is nearly 100% turnover every year and I have virtually no chance of ever hearing from these guys ever again.

It's basically an excuse to be outside during the summer and hang out now.
Similar here. Mauer, Buxton & Sano all pretty much skipped. They have played here on rehab. There were some guys that came through for a decent amount of time. Guys like Morneau, Cuddyer & Kubel. That was what got Baltimore chased from here. bypassing AAA with the stud prospects. Its sad.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by schlag » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:05 pm

AAA baseball is what is considered "organizational" aka guys nearing end of options, rehabs, retreads, etc.

the real prospects play at AA level.

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Re: Red Wings Attendance 2018

Post by insagt1 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:04 am

and the question is...who made it that way? When did it change and why? The whole paradigm of baseball has shifted. Its emphasis has changed. When did the complete game disappear? When did they allow batters to step out after every pitch? When did pitch count rear its ugly head? Why so few .300 hitters anymore? So many strikeouts? The shift?
Bloated player salaries with union leaders whining everytime a FA doesn't get paid a kings ransom? When organizations like the Twins rush their prized prospects up too soon, when is that good for baseball? Is the emphasis on analytics hijacking the game? So many useless stats that don't matter at all.

Loved what Jack Morris said as he prepares for the HOF induction:"thank God I played in the era I did' (before analytics commandeered the sport) "I mean we're not playing for spin rate. We're not playing for launch angle. And we're not playing for exit velocity or you know, ground efficiency. WE'RE PLAYING TO WIN. It's W's and L's. Its these letters that matter...W's and L's.
Amen brother....we are being choked by a barrage of useless statistics that don't enhance the game one bit. Does anyone REALLY care about the launch angle of a Judge HR? Does it really matter how fast it left the park..that they have to have a statistic for it?

And now they want to 'fix' the game with cheap gimmicks....put a runner on 2nd to start the 10th inning. My gosh...who are the new baseball fans anyway? What happened to managers who can't manage pitching staffs anymore? Geez.

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